Uh, no, that's the exact opposite of my logic! I was saying that for a man to understand something like his, he would need to have it framed in terms of a non-consensual encounter.

And if "some men" you mean gay men, no shit. They wouldn't mind it if someone they were attracted to made sexual advances, but assuming they wouldn't object if they didn't give consent first is presumptious as hell.

Where the hell are you getting all this "hate" from? And where did I imply a beautiful woman grabbing another woman by the nipples was okay?